No, most people believe killing unborn babies is wrong. But given the constant barrage of "what if's", i.e. rape, incest, life of the mother.. they say abortion should remain legal. What they don't understand, is that the vast majority of abortions are done simply because it's a bad time for the mother. And what they don't know, is that abortion will remain legal for women who were raped, victims of incest, and to save a woman's life. Pro-life activists are continuing their progress in educating the American public about the lies of the pro-choice lobbyists.Most people are not "prolife" in the way that the anti-choice movement defines it. Most people are prochoice. @hardball_chris #tlot #p2
— Jodi Jacobson (@jljacobson) November 30, 2012
Friday, November 30, 2012
The Three "What If's"
Using God to do what?
What pro-life believes is sick and twisted, is using God to justify doing this to His unborn children.Using God to violate women's rights is sick and very twisted. #Prochoice #prolife
— KushielsMoon (@KushielsMoon) November 30, 2012
Unimpossible Definition "Fetus = Child"
Actually, by defintion, a child is an unborn or recently born person. So not only IS a fetus a child, it's also a person.I laugh at the idea of an "aborted child" as there are several reasons that is an impossibility by definition. #prochoice
— Julie (@juliewashere88) November 30, 2012
Monday, November 26, 2012
#ProChoice Moron Alert
Kill the babies and let the rest of us be killed by terrorists. Yep, he/she is a moron.If abortion should be illegal, then all of our troops should be arrested. #prolife #prochoice #abortion
— RAGE MACHINE (@the__VENT) November 27, 2012
Bladder Cancer = Baby?
This make perfect sense. If you're a pro-abort.Bladder cancer is alive and growing like a baby in you. If you try to remove that I'll protest you and say "stop playing god." #prochoice
— Darcy Tetreault (@DarcyTIsGreater) November 27, 2012
Sunday, November 25, 2012
Regretting Letting Your Child Live?
Sad isn't it? I can understand the trauma women go through who gave their child up for adoption. It's a selfless act. However, I cannot understand women who regret giving up their baby, and now wish they would have killed it in utero instead.@quikhit Of my close friends/family, the 1 still living w/trauma & regret is the 1 who chose to give up 4 adoption. #prochoice @jesseimae
— K Ben (@evrybdeezgt1) November 25, 2012
Attacking Words
This is the tweet he was mocking.#ThingsILearnFromAntis : Infants exist inside the womb: bit.ly/RleyXx @johnkeily1 #sciencefail #Prochoice is #prolife
— Realtin Connor (@RealtinConnor) November 25, 2012
Attacking a pro-lifer for using the term infant when referring to a baby who hasn't been born yet, is so pro-choice. What a waste of time this guy is.@realtinconnor Gestation is caring for an infant in the womb; babysitting is caring for an infant outside the womb. Simple, really.
— John Keily (@JohnKeily1) October 27, 2012
The "Rape Card"
So often when pro-life explains their views on why women who had CONSENSUAL sex, should be responsible for the new life they create, this is what we get, the rape card. Abortions following rape account for +/- 3% of all abortions.@repubdolls So you're saying a rape.victim seeking am abortion is responsible for the rape? #ProLife #ProChoice @heatherr_parker
— Lynn(e) Schmidt (@LynneSchmidt) November 25, 2012
Saturday, November 24, 2012
Un-Female Fetuses
Of course the CDC only counts deaths of those with a birth certificate. And you know, if you don't have one of those, you're just a 'clump of cells'.@lawgrace @personhoodusa #lolanti the leading cause of death for females is heart disease cdc.gov/women/lcod/200… . Derp harder. #prochoice
— atheist mommy (@blackdove78) November 25, 2012
Paying Your Own Way = Responsibility
Give a pro-abort enough time, and they'll figure out that the government, i.e. the US taxpayer, shouldn't be held responsible for what they themselves should pay for. Things like, you know, birth control and abortions? And before you think "It's not the government who will pay, it's the insurance company's", I'll say, the cost of funding your sex life will be passed on to ALL consumers, so yeah, the US taxpayer will bear the brunt of the cost.@babahadad Why should gov't support kids instead of requiring men to support their kids? #prochoice
— Lisa (@notmuchelse) November 25, 2012
Religious Whats?
This is why I had to set up a separate blog. The language, a.k.a. F-bombs frequently used by the pro-aborts, would be offensive to many readers. But a newsflash for this moron, you don't have to be religious to be pro-life. You just have to care that human beings are killed by abortion, and want the slaughter to stop.Let's get one thing straight right now: #prochoice is NOT #proabortion so you religious fucks can shove it up your ass.
— Erin(@SwearinnErinn) November 24, 2012
Indignity?
A bigger indignity, is intentionally killing a human fetus that you could have prevented being created in the first place, but didn't bother. And no, this is not to say women should die for a fetus, even if that fetus is wanted.RT @shoq: RT @childfreediva: Dying just to NOT save a fetus you didn't even want, is the ultimate indignity. #prochoice
— hardknoxfirst (@hardknoxfirst) November 24, 2012
Abortion DOES Kill Babies
And if you support abortion, i.e. if you are "Pro-Choice", you support killing babies, i.e. you are a baby killer. Don't like the title? Don't support abortion dumbass!((SERIOUSLY. PROCHOICE PEOPLE DO NOT LOVE #ABORTIONS. WE JUST SUPPORT THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE. NO WE ARE NOT BABY KILLERS, YOU FUCKIN DUMBASS))
— DADDY KARKAT (@kkarkatvantas) November 24, 2012
Created At Birth?
We all know, and I am sure @notmuchelse knows as well, babies are not 'created' at birth. It's takes 9 months from conception for that baby to develop to full term. To say abortion prevents creation, is indeed idiotic.@gr8cdnesc I agree. That's why we have abortion: so we don't create new lives we don't want. #prochoice @lynneschmidt @aussieprolife
— Lisa (@notmuchelse) November 24, 2012
Misquoting The Obvious
Choicer's just can't turn around what someone says (and means), quick enough. Sad to us quotes, when that wasn't what she said at all. The girls she was referring to, are the ones who have no regard for the new life that may be created when they have sex, and with no thought of protecting themselves from pregnancy. You know the ones..@xinna13 I.e. "I'm #prochoice but not for, like, sluts and stuff." A bit of advice: slut-shaming looks ugly on everyone.
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 24, 2012
Kids Are Cute, But...
If you ever wondered why pro-life says pro-choice causes a lack of respect for human beings.. here's your sign!Sometimes, kids are the cutest... Other times, theyre really fucking annoying! God, #HelpMe #WearCondoms #ProChoice I need a #Shotgun
— Juan Puppo (@millojuan) November 24, 2012
About "Human" Rights
The most basic human right IS the right to life. The human right @KushielsMoon is referring to, is the legal right for a woman to kill her unborn child, such as the one in the lower-right quadrant of the picture above.@najrakan Ah ha ha. Nice attempt to revamp the picture, but it's not going to work. #Prochoice is prolife, and antis take away human rights.
— KushielsMoon (@KushielsMoon) November 24, 2012
Friday, November 23, 2012
Because you know, it's all about you!
Crush? Not hardly. You do make for great blog fodder though. And in all fairness, you were warned! http://prochoicesaidwhat.blogspot.com/2012/11/this-is-not-about-savita.html?showComment=1353184433814#c3949609157106856217Wow. Nine posts about me in less than two week? I think .@antiabrtiongang must have a crush. How sweet. #prochoice
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 23, 2012
Because ACOG Said So! (UPDATED)
Ok, so they're ACOG. They are the same ACOG who redefined "when pregnancy begins" as being at implantation rather than conception. Why did they do this? Because of the hormonal birth control pill market. BCP's are known to have capabilities of preventing implantation of a developing baby. If word got out that BCP's could act as an abortifacient, the BCP market would have crashed. Yes, it was all about the money. More recently, ACOG has stated that BCP's should be sold over the counter! Why? Because insurance companies are going to be forced to pay for BCP's and other forms of birth control, under Obamacare. Again, it is all about the money. When I hear it's "because ACOG said so", I cringe. ***UPDATE***.@angelsamongus6 THEY'RE ACOG. The largest organization of obstetricians and gynecologists in the US. ::headdesk:: #prochoice
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 23, 2012
SURE it didn't!!! http://liveaction.org/blog/abortion-birth-control-and-medical-deception/.@antiabrtiongang LOLZ. ACOG's definition changed DECADES ago and had nothing to do with EC or BCP. But nice try. #prochoice #lolanti
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 23, 2012
Evolving Feelings on Abortion
And there are thousands of women who's views on their own abortions have 'evolved'. You can read some of their stories here. You can also find help there, should your feelings about your own abortion have evolved into regret.Anti-#Abortion GOPer Says His Views Have Evolved Since First Wife’s Abortions zite.to/10rp2bm #GOP #ProChoice
— Dorian Staten (@Nicronon) November 23, 2012
Murder is Murder
I wonder if they changed the legal definition of murder to include killing unborn human beings by abortion, would pro-aborts still defend it? I am guessing they would.@gbear040 "Murder" and "infanticide" have legal definitions; neither of them include abortion. HTHYWIA @expoledancer #prochoice
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 23, 2012
Killing Your Unborn Baby = Responsible Parenting
She's not talking about waiting to have sex, or even use birth control, until you're ready to have kids. She's talking about aborting them until you're ready to give one the right to life. You may go on to grant that gift of life to other children, but you can never replace the child you killed by an abortion.@gr8cdnesc Waiting until you're ready to have kids is sensible and responsible. #prochoice @aussieprolife @evirae @onbeaconstreet
— Lisa (@notmuchelse) November 23, 2012
Thursday, November 22, 2012
How The Younger #ProChoice Generation Thinks
What concerns me about this, is the lack of regard for human life, at any stage. They have been taught that unborn babies are of no value unless they're wanted, and they equate that with getting rid of crying children? And not that I take a tweet like this seriously, but should something like this ever come out of someone's mouth, much less cross their mind? It's a slippery slope that I don't know if we can ever recover from. This is going to be an add on post.. like the tweet below.We must exterminate any child that cries in a public place #ProChoice
— Dmitrii Murvakov (@MessoMurray) November 22, 2012
Seriously parents. Get a hold of your kid and shut them the hell up! People like you are why I'm #prochoice >.<
—Maty S.(@TheStrotem) November 25, 2012
Coat hanger or a staircase #prochoice
— Sean Gregory (@greggsean71) November 30, 2012
Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Does 'Choice' = 'Forced Abortion'?
Actually, pro-lifers know full well the difference in 'choice' and 'forced abortion'. Well, most of us do anyway. Some see abortion as being forced on the unborn child (ir is), which would make their 'choice = forced abortion' claim valid. What pro-choicers don't understand, is that supporting 'choice' leads to the death of an unborn human being. I've learned that a great many pro-choicer's are actually pro-life personally. What they're saying is 'I would never kill my baby, but I'll support you in your decision to kill yours'. A perfect example of this is below.Antis still cannot see the difference between supporting choice and forced abortion. Very sad for them. #prochoice
— KushielsMoon (@KushielsMoon) November 21, 2012
@ruppy99 personally I'd be pro life for myself but every woman deserves to have control over their body #prochoice
— Clara Byrne (@Clarabcd_) November 21, 2012
Abortion is Nature Taking It's Course
Nature? No, leaving the baby to develop naturally, is nature. Removing the baby before it's able to survive in the outside world is murder.@gloriamitchell6 It's a choice to end a pregnancy. If the embryo can't survive delivery, that's nature taking its course. #prochoice
— Lisa (@notmuchelse) November 21, 2012
Tuesday, November 20, 2012
The Problem With OTC Birth Control (UPDATED)
And the solution: Make ALL birth control (pills) OTC. Insurance company pays zero. UPDATE: Ask and you shall receive. From Jezebel American College of OB/GYNs (ACOG) Says Birth Control Should Be Sold Over the Counter!! Anyone surprised? Me neither. Feminists only *thought* they were going to force insurance companies (and US taxpayers), to pay for their birth control. Bet they didn't see this coming! ***This is probably what @nicki2377 was referring to.My only concern about OTC Birth Control Pills is that it gives insurance companies a way to avoid paying for them. #p2 #prochoice
— Nicki (@nicki2377) November 20, 2012
Fetal Tax Breaks
Silly pro-aborts. A fetus doesn't get a tax break, but his or her parents will. This will help feed the kids they already have.12 weeks pregnant? Well, Michigan Republicans want to give your fetus a tax break: bit.ly/XxRry7 #prochoice #fem2
— Andrew Jenkins (@andrew_jenkins) November 20, 2012
@kaylynuke says... (UPDATED)
Even if you prove that Ireland's pro-life laws caused Savita's death, you still won't have an argument, idiot. Because people like you who want to turn Ireland into an abortion on demand country, will have the blood of 11,000 unborn children on your hands. UPDATE: Pro-abort meltdown in action!When someone dies because of a law you support, you don't get to call yourself #prolife anymore upworthy.com/dear-america-t… #fem2 #ctl #prochoice
— Kayly Newcomer (@kaylynuke) November 20, 2012
1- Blogger creates post attacking my personal #prochoice stance & gives me link on Twitter even though they don't even follow me.
— Kayly Newcomer (@kaylynuke) November 21, 2012
2- I play w/said weirdo all day like cat w/mouse. Weirdo attacks article w/o reading it, then calls me "arrogant idiot" for posting it.
— Kayly Newcomer (@kaylynuke) November 21, 2012
3- All I can figure is said blogger is functionally illiterate... I win interwebs for the day. ;P
— Kayly Newcomer (@kaylynuke) November 21, 2012
Look Kayly, when you come up with something besides contraception and KILLING UNBORN CHILDREN to correct the lousy maternal mortality rate in the US, come back and we'll talk. Chances are you won't, because you can't think beyond your own uterus!PS Weirdo who created a blog post about my twitter post & doesnt even follow me or know me has now blocked *ME*! lmao, sweet irony...
— Kayly Newcomer (@kaylynuke) November 21, 2012
Because the only right that matters...
Because the only right that matters... to pro-choice women, is their legal right to kill their unborn baby..@jonkarl @senrandpaul Women decided this Presidential election and we WILL decide 2016! Only a ProChoice candidate will win. Mark my words!
— Luchia(@LuvLuchia) November 20, 2012
Hypocrisy Defined
In other words, you need to know the definitions of words, but you're not allowed to use the dictionary to learn them. In the tweet below "MW" refers to Merriam Webster.@optimistic143 Again, words have definitions for a reason.Once you learn them & use them correctly,we'll talk.Until then, goodbye #prochoice
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 20, 2012
Dear antichoicers: Resorting to MW is the last bastion of a losing argument. HTHYWIA #prochoice
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 20, 2012
Abortion IS Discrimination
According to.@optimistic143 Rights are based on one's status as a person, as determined by domestic and international law. #prochoice
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 20, 2012
Monday, November 19, 2012
2 Women in 30 years?
If all they can come up with is 2 women in 30 years who died after being denied an aborition in Ireland... pro-life Ireland's got this!#Savita not alone. Meet #SheilaHodgers. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Ho… #M312 #WarOnWomen #prochoice = #prolife #408 #Ireland #WomenRights #HumanRights
— Claudine Jacques (@ClaudineJacques) November 20, 2012
Is A Blowjob Cannibalism?
Since human sperm is part of a human, and since you ingested said sperm, then yes, a blow job is cannibalism. So it must therefore be also true that abortion is in fact murder.If #abortion is murder, then a blowjob is cannibailism. #prochoice #lol
— Chloe Broxton (@spiffyyank) November 20, 2012
Because Democrats Must Demonize Their Opponent
I guess they ran out of vicious names to call pro-lifers. I didn't bother with the link. Saw no need after reading that hateful tweet.Daily Kos: The REAL Pro-Life Movement: Murderers, Rapists, Incest-Enablers, Pedophiles, and Liars dailykos.com/story/2012/11/…#prochoice
— atheist mommy (@blackdove78) November 20, 2012
Protect Women From Laws
So if I went to Iraq, their goverment would protect me from being raped, stoned, and whatever awful things they do to women. No. If you choose to go to, or live in, a country with different beliefs than you have, you either abide by their beliefs and/or laws, or you don't go.The Irish gov't failed to protect pregnant woman from the religious beliefs of others -- How many more will die? huff.to/RP0xQZ #fem2
— SaraJoyM (@Tempibones) November 20, 2012
YOU LET A WOMAN DIE!
Or maybe they did everything they could. Given Ireland's outstandingly low rate of maternal mortality, I'd say she was in the best place she could be.Docs in Savita case insist: We did NOTHING wrong...- Nothing wrong? NOTHING WRONG??? YOU LET A WOMAN DIE! #prochoice tmblr.co/Z1t1vuXXHZvL
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 18, 2012
No More Pregnant Women To Die In Ireland
If only it were that simple.Well done #Savita #ProChoice campaigners in #Ireland. Ye made #World news! Let this ladys tragic death be the last! twitter.com/thesecondgoing…
— Gardiner (@thesecondgoing) November 18, 2012
'This is a Catholic country'
Given the name she chose for herself "Ladyfuckwit", there's just not a lot to say about the tweet.If I, an Irish Catholic born woman had been in the place of #Savita would the statement 'This is a Catholic country' have been made ?
— Ladyfuckwit (@Ladyfuckwit) November 20, 2012
Sunday, November 18, 2012
Ladies, think before you act.
Seriously, why would a woman want to give a part of herself to a man who she didn't think would be a good dad?@kimketola If a woman is considering #abortion, he's probably not a good man/father any way. #prochoice #childsupport
— zombieapocalypsekitt (@zombieapocalyp1) November 19, 2012
The "Right" Side Of History
Ahh, how they claim the right is on the wrong side of history. But seriously, given the choice, which we all have, I'll stay on the right side, the side which is unforgiving when it comes to killing innocent human beings.#Prolife advocates are on the wrong side of history; allowing women to have a choice is the future. #Prochoice #Progress #Savita
— Evie (@evirae) November 18, 2012
Pro-Choice Activists Had 3 Days to Plan Exploitation of Savita's Death
And? “@familyandmedia: Pro-choice activists got tip-off on tragic death @independent_ie shar.es/GIfLq via @sharethis”
— Elaine Hanley (@ElaineHanley72) November 18, 2012
What it means, is that not only is it obvious that Savita's death is being exploited, it's obvious that that was the intention from the beginning.What exactly is the point of this story, @independent_ie ? independent.ie/national-news/… Oh my goth, they're ORGANISED!!111!!!
— Grace Duffy (@pixiegrace) November 18, 2012
Saturday, November 17, 2012
Showing Reality of Abortion = Slut Shaming
You'll have to read the convo, if she doesn't delete her part of it first that is. Oh wait, just in case... FYI Samm, I find dismembering human fetuses offensive. Does this matter to you? Nope@antiabrtiongang you're who slut shame women and exploit pictures of aborted fetii and *I* am disgusting? look in the mirror at WHAT?
— Samm (@orthodexy) November 17, 2012
Spellcheck?
Because sometimes all they can find to attack, is your errors.@auragasmic @antiabrtiongang Privelege? What is this of which you speak? #spellcheckisyourfriend
— Jessica Oliva (@esposa_de_oliva) November 17, 2012
Why force birth?
Because the alternative is allowing the slaughter of unborn human beings.Then why force it? “@antiabrtiongang: @auragasmic Actually, motherhood is a privelege, one #prochoice women take for granted. #prolife”
— Auragasmic (@Auragasmic) November 17, 2012
This is not about Savita
No, Savita died because either her doctors didn't think she was in imminent danger, or because they were unsure of the law. On the second point, what pro-choice is exposing, is their rabid desire for abortion on demand..@irelandsear #Savita died because the antichoice lobby refused her the medical care she desperately needed.YES, #prochoice will expose that
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 17, 2012
Friday, November 16, 2012
Politicizing Women's Bodies
Who? Guess it all depends on who you ask. Obama policized women bodies, but they elected him anyway.To those calling on women not to "politicize" #Savita's death: Stop politicizing women's bodies & killing us and maybe we'll consider it.
— Jessica Valenti (@JessicaValenti) November 15, 2012
Thursday, November 15, 2012
#ProChoice Medical Experts Have Spoken
And yet pro-aborts can assert that abortion *was* necessary to save Savita's life.@heatherr_parker how stupid are these people? Not even a shred of basic common medical knowledge and they can ASSERT abortion unnecessary.
— Meg (@MegJ_26) November 15, 2012
Wednesday, November 14, 2012
What Killed Savita Halappanavar?
The link leads to the Tumblr post as seen below. So what would would my opinion be about what happened to Savita? Well, I'm no doctor but... neither are you. Let's wait for the experts to tell us what happened to her. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1114/breaking19.htmlSTFU, PRO-LIFE!: HEY, PRO-LIFERS. NOTHING TO SAY? AT ALL? - god-is-prochoice: Say something, you cowardly fuc… tmblr.co/Z1t1vuXHY95x
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 14, 2012
Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Cruelty - Circumcision vs Dismemberment
Because a parent's decision to circumcise their male children, based on health or religious reasons, is more cruel than a parents decision to have their unborn children killed and dismembered.I bet @toupsfamily's boys are all #circumcised yet they want to talk to me about cruelty. #prochoice #i2
— 阮笑 (@Nino_Negrino) November 14, 2012
The #ProChoice Spin Doctor
Because scaring women is how they keep women in line.This is what the #AntiChoice would let happen here: irishtimes.com/newspaper/fron… #ProChoice is #ProLife
— Cathleen London MD (@DrChaya) November 14, 2012
Reframing the acronym GOP
Because you know, democrat senators should start a trend of disrespecting their Republican colleagues. A closeup of the shirt is below.Democratic State Senator Nina Turner wears a t-shirt that has a new acronym for the GOP at news conference twitter.com/joingles/statu…
— Jo Ingles (@joingles) November 13, 2012
The #ProChoice Coathanger Myth
No, actually it's not, as this new study proves. http://io9.com/5958187/what-happens-to-women-denied-abortions-this-is-the-first-scientific-study-to-find-out@stevewcarlson so u favor endangering women with back alley abortions then, bc that's what's going to happen. #prochoice #fem2 #p2
— OOOlson (@OOOlson) November 14, 2012
Monday, November 12, 2012
But doing this to an unborn baby because you had to have your 30 minutes of orgasmic glory is what? Fair?To force a wmn to endure 9 mnths of pregnancy + labor/ excruciating pain that could result in disfigurement & death is NOT #prolife
— Prochoice is Prolife (@maryluca77) November 13, 2012
Defund Boy Scouts
Sure, because hurting the other 99% of the boys is just cause, right?Good. RT @blackdove78: Intel will end support for #OR Boy Scouts over policy on gays |oregonlive.com/silicon-forest… #lgbt #prochoice
— Heather Parker (@heatherr_parker) November 13, 2012
On religion in politics
Of course you don't. We would turn Roe over tomorrow if we were.@ladyimpactohio awesome... I voted for Obama because I'm prochoice and I don't think religion should be involved in politics.
— Stella (@StellaMade) November 13, 2012
Allowing your children to be killed: Manly
If you won't protect your unborn children from slaughter, why should you be trusted with anything else?@toupsfamily If u think forcing women to give birth against their wills is "manly", women should stay far away from you. #Prochoice #Prolife
— Realtin Connor (@RealtinConnor) November 13, 2012
Sunday, November 11, 2012
America about the choice to kill?
No, America is about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We're not about killing someone else, calling it liberty, and pursuing your own happiness at someone else's expense.#ProChoice - The only other choice is anti-choice and that my twitter friends, is not what America is about!
— Kimberley Johnson (@AuthorKimberley) November 12, 2012
Worrying about children
Oh we do worry about the children, we just start worrying a bit sooner than you do."We really need to get over this love affair with the fetus and start worrying about the children."-Joycelyn Elders#prochoice #exactly 👏
— Brady Sahm ⚾ (@BradSahm) November 12, 2012
On Choosing What To Do With Your Boby
Neither could she.I can't fathom the thought of not having the right to chose what I do with my body. #prochoice
— Melissa Becerra (@msJorDannn) November 11, 2012
Who has a conscience?
Why would anyone with a conscience kill an unborn baby? Simply put, they wouldn't.I can't be anti-choice because I have a conscience. Abortion care saves lives. #prochoice IS #prolife
— Julie (@juliewashere88) November 11, 2012